tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3712012.post116937088440841760..comments2023-07-04T10:10:25.205-04:00Comments on Apologia: Sunday Thought: the Church as ScapegoatWilliam Lusehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15928946919078483848noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3712012.post-1169667718809055032007-01-24T14:41:00.000-05:002007-01-24T14:41:00.000-05:00Or how about the old contraceptive heresy, or any ...Or how about the old contraceptive heresy, or any number of others? They would announce their intention to study the Pope's order "carefully," in order to determine what weight of authority was really behind it, and to ascertain precisely what he means by "refute", so as not to alienate hearts and minds or interfere with the freedom of the individual conscience.William Lusehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15928946919078483848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3712012.post-1169644780609813142007-01-24T08:19:00.000-05:002007-01-24T08:19:00.000-05:00I'm glad Bill set me straight back when this came ...I'm glad Bill set me straight back when this came up. I think you have That Blogger dead to rights on this one.<BR/><BR/>It really is sad (I hardly have to tell you guys this) to perceive the degradation that modernism has inflicted on the Church. Researching a recent project, I happened upon an astonishing fact: in 1938, right before he died, Pius XI <I>ordered</I> all Catholic schools and universities to refute Nazi racial theories. Ordered them. And they complied.<BR/><BR/>Can you imagine what would ensue if Benedict ordered all Catholic schools to, say, refute the latest biotech heresy?Paul Cellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00976325524080225869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3712012.post-1169617780251889262007-01-24T00:49:00.000-05:002007-01-24T00:49:00.000-05:00how on earth does effect precede cause?Exactly. He...<I>how on earth does effect precede cause?</I><BR/><BR/>Exactly. He refers to the Church as "the historic core of Europe." Yes, there was once a thing called Christendom. By 1965 - though the faith stayed alive behind the Iron Curtain in enclaves like Poland, Lithuania, and Slovenia - was there a single head of state whose legitimacy depended on loyalty to the Church? Was there a single truly Catholic nation still in existence? Who was heeding the Pope on any matter, let alone the memory of Islam? Europe once listened to the Church all right, prior, perhaps, to the age of Richelieu.William Lusehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15928946919078483848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3712012.post-1169570515040161062007-01-23T11:41:00.000-05:002007-01-23T11:41:00.000-05:00I appreciate a lot of what that blogger writes too...I appreciate a lot of what that blogger writes too. But it is hard to sort out what he thinks is the cause of what when he talks about the Church. I can understand the argument that the Church forgot too, if you will -- that would be the traditionalist Catholic argument, I suppose, that the Church has become too liberal and too friendly with modernism. (I am working on a post on this, inspired by an email correspondent). But that the West forgot its history, and in particular its civilizational struggle against Islam, because it was told by <I>Nostra Aetate</I> to forget? I'm just not seeing it. Maybe there is something to the criticism in, say, France, that isn't at all obvious to an American. But even then the timeline seems completely off: how on earth does effect precede cause?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com